What’s your number?
So… did you test with National Geographic’s Geno 2.0 project?
If so, the International Society of Genetic Genealogists (ISOGG) — and The Legal Genealogist — and the entire genetic genealogy community — we all have a question for you:
What’s your number?
Turns out that within the past few days, the Genographic Project has started reporting the percentage of participants within the Geno 2.0 project database with particular paternal and maternal haplogroups.
Now a haplogroup is “a genetic population group of people who share a common ancestor on the patrilineal or matrilineal line. Haplogroups are assigned letters of the alphabet, and refinements consist of additional number and letter combinations.”1
And haplogroups come in two flavors: YDNA — from the Y chromosome that only men have and that is passed down from father to son to son largely unchanged through the generations2 — and mitochondrial DNA (mtDNA) — the kind we all receive from our mothers but that only women pass on to their children, again largely unchanged through the generations.3
So all of us who’ve tested with the Geno 2.0 project have an mtDNA haplogroup reported, from the mtDNA we received from our mothers, and “(u)nderstanding the evolutionary path of the female lineage has helped population geneticists trace the matrilineal inheritance of modern humans back to human origins in Africa and the subsequent spread across the globe.”4
And any man who’s tested will also have a YDNA haplogroup reported — and as more and more of the Y chromosome is mapped and differences detected, we can hope for a deeper understanding of the male inheritance of modern humans as well.
And that’s part of where this number bit comes in.
Knowing the frequency with which certain haplogroups appear, and where they appear, can help population geneticists develop and test theories about human migration over time. This is one of a series of efforts made be genetic genealogists to gather information about how common haplogroups are and how they’re distributed worldwide. Some nine years ago, for example, Dr. J. Douglas McDonald, a professor of Chemistry at the University of Illinois at Urbana-Champaign produced maps of the distributions of YDNA and mtDNA haplogroups around the world. The copyrighted maps can be found online here.
And as genealogists, we’d like to know more about how frequently a particular haplogroup appears, to help us understand the significance of a match or a mismatch within, say, the H3 mtDNA haplogroup (1.6%) or the R-L21 YDNA haplogroup (4.8%) as compared to one in, say, the V3b mtDNA haplogroup (less than 0.1%) or the R-V88 YDNA haplogroup (0.1%).
Right now, the percentages are being reported individually, on the dashboard for the results of each person who has tested. And as genetic genealogists, we’d like to know the big picture: what are the percentages for all the haplogroups?
So ISOGG under an initiative by Dr. Tim Janzen is in the process of collecting the individual information about each reported haplogroup, and collecting it in Excel spreadsheet form for everyone’s use. The links to the spreadsheets are on the ISOGG Haplogroup wiki page under the link titles Geno 2.0 Y haplogroup percentages from the Genographic Project and Geno 2.0 mtDNA haplogroup percentages from the Genographic Project.
So… have you tested with Geno 2.0? If you have, ISOGG would love to know your number. Here are the steps:
1. Log in to your Genographic 2.0 results.
2. Click on the link at the top for Dashboard.
3. Scroll down to your Deep Ancestry results. Record your haplogroup name and the percentage.
4. Take a look at the ISOGG spreadsheet(s). Is your haplogroup reported?
a. If so, terrific! You’re done.
b. If not, report it! Let ISOGG know. You can post your number on the ISOGG Yahoo group list in the thread started by Tim Janzen if you’re an ISOGG member. If you’re not an ISOGG member, feel free to post your results in the comments to this blog post or, for email subscribers, just hit reply and email them. I’ll collect them and send them along.
You’ll be helping us all know more.
And besides, “Hi, I’m H3 1.6%, what’s your number?” beats the heck out of “Hi, I’m Pisces, what’s your sign?”, doesn’t it?
SOURCES
- ISOGG Wiki (http://www.isogg.org/wiki), “Haplogroup,” rev. 5 July 2014. ↩
- ISOGG Wiki (http://www.isogg.org/wiki), “Y chromosome DNA tests,” rev. 5 Mar 2014. ↩
- ISOGG Wiki (http://www.isogg.org/wiki), “Mitochondrial DNA tests,” rev. 30 Mar 2014. ↩
- ISOGG Wiki (http://www.isogg.org/wiki), “Mitochondrial DNA haplogroup,” rev. 4 Mar 2014. ↩
These are for my Uncle as he’s the only one we’ve tested at Gedo 2.0, but neither of these currently appear on the spreadsheets, so hopefully this will be of some use for you:
mtDNA: I3A – 0.1%
Y-DNA: R-CTS11722 – 1.0%
Excellent, Lenny, thank you!
H26 <0.1%
I am also H26.
(Below are my brother’s results – Hazel Pritchett Singson)
H26 <0.1%
R-CTS11337 0.1%
mtDNA I2 – 0.5%
yDNA already recorded
It may sound a stupid question, but won’t the Genographic Project just give the full list ?
Not a stupid question and the only possible answer is: not yet, if at all!
Judy,
Is this really ethical? Dr. Wells is running a science project whose funding is dependent on publishing in top-tier journals. His team have expended an enormous effort to collect and analyze all of those samples, and has a right to be the first to publish based on the results. Is it really in the interest of the “citizen scientists” to short-circuit that process and risk impairing the Geno2’s publication opportunities and thereby the flow of grants?
Wouldn’t it be better to ask that he make all of the data public after publication to encourage wider review of his work as well as to enable the citizen scientists to use the data to further their genetic genealogical goals?
It seems to me that Dr. Wells has made a remarkable effort to engage with the genealogical community this last year, likely because he sees it as a potential source of political and financial support. Let’s encourage that engagement by recognizing his needs and work with him directly rather than behind his back.
I don’t see this as an issue at all, John, particularly since the Genographic Project is funded in large measure by the very high fees paid by us as testers. But I am confident that if Spencer Wells disagrees in any way, ISOGG would respond immediately — and appropriately — to his concerns.
Dr. Wells is extremely supportive of our citizen scientists and encourages this type of research. I am quite sure that if NatGeo was worried about publishing this data, they would not have released it into the public domain yet.
yDNA: R-CTS4528: 0.5%
mtDNA: K1c1b: 0.1%
Argh. please correct K1c1b to 0.2%….
Y: R-Z287 = 0.3%
mt: J1 = 0.1%
mtDNA: U5A2B1A 0.1%
yDNA: R-Z210 1.0%
Y-DNA
I-Z63 1.1%
MTDNA
J1C2. 1.1%
mtDNA H16B 0.1%
yDNA J-Z597 0.4%
Hello. I am Haplogroup I-Z59 and .08% of all the
Geno 2.0 participants.
Do you mean that I-Z59 is 0.08% or 0.8%?
I am I-Z59 too in geno 2.0 next generation
Maternal: H3H 0.2%
Paternal: R-CTS2501 0.4%
My haplo is L3E3~4~5 (L3e5 on FTDNA and 23andMe) and listed as <0.1%
MTDNA = H6A1B2 0.4% (not in spreadsheet)
Y = R-Z2 0.7% (already in spread sheet)
mtDNA = H1u 0.1%
yDNA = R-Z255 0.7% (already included in spreadsheet)
I am also H1u, but can’t figure out where did it come from?
Um… your parent, for sure, but I presume you mean back in time> Is this a YDNA or mtDNA haplogroup?
H1u mtDNA haplogroup
H4a1c1 <0.1%
that’s mtDNA H4a1c1 <0.1%
None of these are in the spreadsheets
Y R-PF3434 < 0.1%
Mt = A2k1 < 0.1%
Hey we had R-PF3434! if you’d like please let us know where you came from to see if there’s any relation. Feel free to Email us at serra.lineage@gmail.com.
Y-DNA: R-L21 4.8% (already in spreadsheet)
mtDNA: T2b4 0.5% (not yet in spreadsheet)
mtDNA: V1a — 0.1%
Y-DNA: J-YSC0000234 — 0.4%
mtDNA, T2B2B1 = 0.1%
yDNA, R-L782 = 0.1%
mtDNA: C1B 0.3%
Y-DNA: J-YSC0000234 0.4%
yDNA: R-Z225 .5%
mtDNA: H1e1 .1%
mtDNA: H1ah <0.1%
my YDNA is already posted.
mtDNA: W3a1 0.2%
Y-DNA: G-P303 0.1%
And another tester:
mtDNA: J1c2 1.1%
R-L579 < 0.1%
Since Geno 2.0 testing is on-going, isn’t the haplogroup percentage a moving target? Not only will the percentage change if the proportions of future testers are different than the existing results, but the current percentages are only reliable if past testers were representative of the world’s population. Or is the percentage calculation adjusted in some fashion to account for smaller sample sizes from some groups?
It certainly may change, but having data even for tests to date is useful.
mtDNA, U5A2 = 0.3%
yDNA, C-F3836 = <0.1%
yDNA: R-L51 5.1%
mtDNA: H5 .5%
mtDNA: 0.1% B4A1A1
mtDNA: H6a1b2 0.4% (already reported)
Y-DNA: R-Z290 4.8% (already reported)
Y-DNA R-M222 2.7%
mtDNA K1B1A1A 0.1%
H5A1 0.9%
Y-DNA = I-Z63 1.1%
mtDNA = H3 1.67%
Test with nation geographic…H6a1b4 on 23and me H6a1b tested also with ancestry and my heritage…all different results…what confuses me is my hablogroup doesn’t match any of my close relatives..aunt and uncle on fathers side are t1a1 ..so if a person has the same hablogroup means direct line..??
Your haplogroup as a female can only be your mitochondrial haplogroup, which means your mother’s mother’s mother’s line. None of your relatives on your father’s side will be descended from that line. Your father’s siblings have their mother’s mother’s mother’s haplogroup.
I had my uncle test for Geno and the result was R-PF3434 i haven’t been able to get information on this haplogroup if you can provide any i’d appreciate it immensely. Also, on FTDNA so far the result is R-L151 which is not R-L21 (Geno) so we are a little confused by this. FTDNA says it is the same results? is R-L151 under R-L21 or vice versa? My family comes from Spain presumably Barcelona and the Geno shows they were in the UK area at some point, no evidence of Spain as of yet. I understand this means that further testing must be made or they weren’t from Spain? Would appreciate the help!
Oh it says “<0.1%
Your paternal haplogroup is shared by <0.1% of all participants in the project"
B5 <0.1%
R-L21 4.4%
Maternal H42 here. Don’t see it in the spreadsheet.
Paternal I-Z59 is on Y spreadsheet.
Will: I’m also mtDNA H42.
My maternal ancestors are from Canary Islands / Spain
Hi. I am H42 too
Maternal ancestors English, Irish, French and German
Are you interested in sharing ancestor info?
I am H42 too. Are you interested in sharing any ancestor info?
Maternal H5A1F 0.1%
Paternal I-Z63 1.1% (on list)
Matnl: H1 1.7%
Patnl: R-Z2 2.7%
MATERNAL LINE
T2B21
0.1%
PATERNAL LINE
R-P310
4.9%
Paternal line JZ631 0.4%
Matenal line H1AF1 0.1%
I’m P310 and U5A1B on Genographic and DF27 and U5 on FTDNA. :/ The two sites could work together and unify the results.
Genographic 2.0
Maternal Line H2A1D < 0.1%
Paternal Line R-Z2 2.7%
FTDNA
Maternal Line H2A1D
Paternal Line RZ343
mtDNA: K1a4d
Make that:
mtDNA K1a4d 0.1%
HERE ARE MINE:
MATERNAL LINE
T2B5 – 0.1%
PATERNAL LINE
R-Z255 0.6%
Maternal hapologroup U5B1B1A , 0.1%
Paternal hapologroup R-Z255, 0.6%
MtDNA H42
YDNA J-CT S2906
H1U – 0.1%
Maternal H13A1A5 0.1%
Mtdna H3H .1%